Comments on: Limited geography model article. http://platesofmormon.wordpress.com/2008/04/26/limited-geography-model-article/ Following an ancient set of records through time and lands. Tue, 20 Oct 2009 03:18:13 +0000 http://wordpress.com/ hourly 1 By: Zelph http://platesofmormon.wordpress.com/2008/04/26/limited-geography-model-article/#comment-83 Zelph Sun, 27 Apr 2008 17:00:08 +0000 http://platesofmormon.wordpress.com/?p=51#comment-83 I agree that if one is to maintain that Joseph Smith was a prophet and translated the BoM that his words should carry greater weight. That is what we are taught in the church, and the ultimate irony is that to defend the BoM, LDS scholars throw the prophets under a bus. You have some good questions and I would suggest to continue to study and learn about church history and continue to look at archeology. I agree that if one is to maintain that Joseph Smith was a prophet and translated the BoM that his words should carry greater weight. That is what we are taught in the church, and the ultimate irony is that to defend the BoM, LDS scholars throw the prophets under a bus.

You have some good questions and I would suggest to continue to study and learn about church history and continue to look at archeology.

]]> By: uft36 http://platesofmormon.wordpress.com/2008/04/26/limited-geography-model-article/#comment-82 uft36 Sun, 27 Apr 2008 08:36:57 +0000 http://platesofmormon.wordpress.com/?p=51#comment-82 Hi, Zelph! Thanks for your comment. I have a harder time believing in "experts" than in a prophet's testimony. I know they have gained a lot of experience and knowledge in their fields but sometimes I think they are to narrow minded to consider other possibilities. If you have looked at some of my other posts and pages I have shown how the Book of Mormon plates ended up in New York and I hope in future posts I can make a clearer picture of my theory. I still stand by Joseph Smith more than anyone else when it comes to the Book of Mormon. I don't fully understand why certain things were said and done in the early Church and I really don't care at this time. I have found non-LDS texts that supports the idea that people migrated here from the Old World. Any evidence found in the early 1800's was very few and there was only speculation on the origins of the Native Americans. Joseph Smith provided the only piece of evidence to support this idea and no one can accept the idea that maybe he is right after all. As far as the two Cumorahs is concerned, there maybe a hill similar to the one in New York found in Central America but it is not the one in the Book of Mormon and I don't care how much research has been done to "prove" otherwise. In the book The History of New York written in the 1800's the author talked about the early settlers finding huge pits of bones and many weapons dug up that suggested a huge warfare happened in the past. Of course, we don't know how far back the war took place but the Native American traditions say that it was a very long time ago. How can we deny Native American traditions and early accounts of settler's discoveries? Archaeologists will continue to deny these reports because it was before modern archaeology. They can't see these artifacts and places for themselves. New England's weather and land is the most unstable in the world and it won't take long for artifacts to be buried very deep. Some of the houses and farms from the 1600's and 1700's that were not restored or kept up have virtually disappeared from the landscape. How can we find anything from 2000 years ago? I could go on but read my posts and do some more digging before passing judgment on Joseph Smith and the LDS Church. And listen to the Holy Spirit, as well. I don't agree with everything in the Church but some things are just not that important for me to condemn this Church, especially things from early Church history. Joseph Smith will always be my standard when it comes to believing in this Church, in spite of the "evidence" against him. Who else has had this much conviction of belief to withstand the mobs, death of some of his children, poverty, being tarred and feathered and chased all over the country just to promote a fake story of what the Native Americans have always believed? Hi, Zelph! Thanks for your comment. I have a harder time believing in “experts” than in a prophet’s testimony. I know they have gained a lot of experience and knowledge in their fields but sometimes I think they are to narrow minded to consider other possibilities. If you have looked at some of my other posts and pages I have shown how the Book of Mormon plates ended up in New York and I hope in future posts I can make a clearer picture of my theory. I still stand by Joseph Smith more than anyone else when it comes to the Book of Mormon. I don’t fully understand why certain things were said and done in the early Church and I really don’t care at this time. I have found non-LDS texts that supports the idea that people migrated here from the Old World. Any evidence found in the early 1800’s was very few and there was only speculation on the origins of the Native Americans. Joseph Smith provided the only piece of evidence to support this idea and no one can accept the idea that maybe he is right after all. As far as the two Cumorahs is concerned, there maybe a hill similar to the one in New York found in Central America but it is not the one in the Book of Mormon and I don’t care how much research has been done to “prove” otherwise. In the book The History of New York written in the 1800’s the author talked about the early settlers finding huge pits of bones and many weapons dug up that suggested a huge warfare happened in the past. Of course, we don’t know how far back the war took place but the Native American traditions say that it was a very long time ago. How can we deny Native American traditions and early accounts of settler’s discoveries? Archaeologists will continue to deny these reports because it was before modern archaeology. They can’t see these artifacts and places for themselves. New England’s weather and land is the most unstable in the world and it won’t take long for artifacts to be buried very deep. Some of the houses and farms from the 1600’s and 1700’s that were not restored or kept up have virtually disappeared from the landscape. How can we find anything from 2000 years ago? I could go on but read my posts and do some more digging before passing judgment on Joseph Smith and the LDS Church. And listen to the Holy Spirit, as well. I don’t agree with everything in the Church but some things are just not that important for me to condemn this Church, especially things from early Church history. Joseph Smith will always be my standard when it comes to believing in this Church, in spite of the “evidence” against him. Who else has had this much conviction of belief to withstand the mobs, death of some of his children, poverty, being tarred and feathered and chased all over the country just to promote a fake story of what the Native Americans have always believed?

]]> By: Zelph http://platesofmormon.wordpress.com/2008/04/26/limited-geography-model-article/#comment-81 Zelph Sun, 27 Apr 2008 06:57:47 +0000 http://platesofmormon.wordpress.com/?p=51#comment-81 First time I heard about the limited geography theory was on my mission. I served in Mexico and there was an LDS archaeologist that said that it was likely that the hill Cumorah in the Book of Mormon was different than the one in Upstate, NY. That was shocking to me, as I had always believed and was always taught that there was only one hill Cumorah. The paradox is drawn when we are supposed to believe that the prophets have special knowledge, or special abilities to discern truth, yet LDS archaeologists were telling me that the BoM lands according to the descriptions in the travel distances were only about 300 miles in diameter. I had always grown up with the Hemispheric model and this is one of the things that led me to doubt. First time I heard about the limited geography theory was on my mission. I served in Mexico and there was an LDS archaeologist that said that it was likely that the hill Cumorah in the Book of Mormon was different than the one in Upstate, NY. That was shocking to me, as I had always believed and was always taught that there was only one hill Cumorah.

The paradox is drawn when we are supposed to believe that the prophets have special knowledge, or special abilities to discern truth, yet LDS archaeologists were telling me that the BoM lands according to the descriptions in the travel distances were only about 300 miles in diameter.

I had always grown up with the Hemispheric model and this is one of the things that led me to doubt.

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