Comments for On the Trail of the Plates of Mormon http://platesofmormon.wordpress.com Following an ancient set of records through time and lands. Tue, 20 Oct 2009 03:18:13 +0000 http://wordpress.com/ hourly 1 Comment on Welcome! by Greg http://platesofmormon.wordpress.com#comment-214 Greg Tue, 20 Oct 2009 03:18:13 +0000 http://platesofmormon.wordpress.com/?page_id=7#comment-214 John - Regarding your comment above, namely, <blockquote>In September of 1832 Joseph Smith prophesied that the New Jerusalem and a new temple would be built in Zion, Missouri, a site near Independence. He further stated that his generation would not all pass away until these events took place. The temple was never built in Smith’s lifetime or within the generation of his contemporaries.</blockquote> I assume you are not familiar with Orson Pratt's comments in 1873, <blockquote>When the Temple is built the sons of the two Priesthoods, that is, those who are ordained to the Priesthood of Melchizedek, that Priesthood which is after the order of the Son of God, with all its appendages; and those who have been ordained to the Priesthood of Aaron with all its appendages, the former called the sons of Moses, the latter the sons of Aaron, will enter into that Temple in this generation, or in the generation that was living in 1832, and all of them who are pure in heart will behold the face of the Lord and that too before he comes in his glory in the clouds of heaven, for he will suddenly come to his Temple, and he will purify the sons of Moses and of Aaron, until they shall be prepared to offer in that Temple an offering that shall be acceptable in the sight of the Lord. (See <a href="http://www.believeallthings.com/1569/redemption-zion" rel="nofollow">Redemption of Zion</a>.)</blockquote> Those living in Joseph Smith's day and magnified the priesthood will one day receive this marvelous blessing. It does not matter if they have died and gone into the spirit world where they have continued their labors in the priesthood. John – Regarding your comment above, namely,

In September of 1832 Joseph Smith prophesied that the New Jerusalem and a new temple would be built in Zion, Missouri, a site near Independence. He further stated that his generation would not all pass away until these events took place. The temple was never built in Smith’s lifetime or within the generation of his contemporaries.

I assume you are not familiar with Orson Pratt’s comments in 1873,

When the Temple is built the sons of the two Priesthoods, that is, those who are ordained to the Priesthood of Melchizedek, that Priesthood which is after the order of the Son of God, with all its appendages; and those who have been ordained to the Priesthood of Aaron with all its appendages, the former called the sons of Moses, the latter the sons of Aaron, will enter into that Temple in this generation, or in the generation that was living in 1832, and all of them who are pure in heart will behold the face of the Lord and that too before he comes in his glory in the clouds of heaven, for he will suddenly come to his Temple, and he will purify the sons of Moses and of Aaron, until they shall be prepared to offer in that Temple an offering that shall be acceptable in the sight of the Lord. (See Redemption of Zion.)

Those living in Joseph Smith’s day and magnified the priesthood will one day receive this marvelous blessing. It does not matter if they have died and gone into the spirit world where they have continued their labors in the priesthood.

]]> Comment on Mentinah Archives by tapusheriff http://platesofmormon.wordpress.com/mentinah-archives/#comment-202 tapusheriff Sat, 26 Sep 2009 03:00:07 +0000 http://platesofmormon.wordpress.com/?page_id=26#comment-202 Here it gos , Positive reinforcement, Those of you who are not decendents of the people mentioned in the book of mormon or mentinah archives need not to worry , im not here to convince the gentiles or babylonians or any race in this world to believe or study , even respect these writings , you are my neighbour and i love you , i respect your opinons , we all have a mind , in which we express our deep feelings towards one subject or another,as long as you are living your life the best way you possibly can to be happy in this life to benifit you and your familys is a beutiful thing and may peace and love be in your life, I know people can get upset about things written here and have a multitude of reasons to be , thats your right to life , and you are free to do so , imposing belief on to you is the last thing anyone has the right to do , i applaud peoples opinion and know they hold it dear in their hearts ,much love. I personally will do all i can to practice my right to observe and study all scriptures in which i as an individual feel will better my life , I see the happenings in the world , and understand that i as an individual must use all my blessings to help make the world a better place , I am who my maker made me , I will do as my maker told me , and that is solid as a rock, i will search deep , pray hard ,fast joyfully,study often ,and follow the laws of the gospel to the enth degree , And be all i can be , Only the lord knows where this will take me , My faith will spill out onto the world , maybey even yours , but not by my force , But i just want you to know , I have started I have belief , I have wisdom , i have love, I have hope , as everyone should strive to,by gospel law,they should strive for these things , Your opinion is your opinion , Mine is mine , Israel and Judah , will stand up, But where is Judah ? Did not the babylonians capture and destroy Zedekiah , Or was that family saved , Did Hagoth escape the americas to the west sea(pacific) ,or did he not , Where is israel ,are the Nephites Destroyed or did hagoth escape , Who will challenge Hagoths Descendents and say the book of mormon was incorrect ? Do we honestly think Hagoth died in open sea or is there a possibility God saved them , Could god have the power to save them , Does god save his people, My beliefs are my beliefs , Im diving head first with no questions into what i believe the lord has revealed , Here i come world , Words from others are exactly what they believe , But like my words are to you, Your words are to me , and just like i cant stop you , You cant stop me from loving this footstool,or my ambitions to set the captives free .. amen . Here it gos ,
Positive reinforcement,
Those of you who are not decendents of the people mentioned in the book of mormon or mentinah archives need not to worry , im not here to convince the gentiles or babylonians or any race in this world to believe or study , even respect these writings , you are my neighbour and i love you , i respect your opinons , we all have a mind , in which we express our deep feelings towards one subject or another,as long as you are living your life the best way you possibly can to be happy in this life to benifit you and your familys is a beutiful thing and may peace and love be in your life,
I know people can get upset about things written here and have a multitude of reasons to be , thats your right to life , and you are free to do so , imposing belief on to you is the last thing anyone has the right to do , i applaud peoples opinion and know they hold it dear in their hearts ,much love.
I personally will do all i can to practice my right to observe and study all scriptures in which i as an individual feel will better my life ,
I see the happenings in the world , and understand that i as an individual must use all my blessings to help make the world a better place ,
I am who my maker made me , I will do as my maker told me , and that is solid as a rock, i will search deep , pray hard ,fast joyfully,study often ,and follow the laws of the gospel to the enth degree , And be all i can be , Only the lord knows where this will take me , My faith will spill out onto the world , maybey even yours ,
but not by my force , But i just want you to know ,
I have started
I have belief , I have wisdom , i have love, I have hope , as everyone should strive to,by gospel law,they should strive for these things , Your opinion is your opinion , Mine is mine ,
Israel and Judah , will stand up, But where is Judah ?
Did not the babylonians capture and destroy Zedekiah ,
Or was that family saved , Did Hagoth escape the americas to the west sea(pacific) ,or did he not ,
Where is israel ,are the Nephites Destroyed or did hagoth escape , Who will challenge Hagoths Descendents and say the book of mormon was incorrect ?
Do we honestly think Hagoth died in open sea or is there a possibility God saved them , Could god have the power to save them , Does god save his people,
My beliefs are my beliefs , Im diving head first with no questions into what i believe the lord has revealed , Here i come world , Words from others are exactly what they believe ,
But like my words are to you,
Your words are to me ,
and just like i cant stop you ,
You cant stop me from loving this footstool,or my ambitions to set the captives free ..
amen .

]]> Comment on Mentinah Archives by Fundamental Mormon http://platesofmormon.wordpress.com/mentinah-archives/#comment-200 Fundamental Mormon Fri, 04 Sep 2009 12:41:01 +0000 http://platesofmormon.wordpress.com/?page_id=26#comment-200 I agree with you. The Archives do encourage people to do good. A lot of books do. The Work and the Glory encourages you to do good. I can read that book with the Holy Ghost and have an understanding of the thruths within the book that promote goodness. The prophet Joseph did restore the fullness of the Gospel, and it is no secret. All these "secrets" that people don't know or live are written in plain english in the doctrine and covenants. Example: Mentinah (revelation of cloudpilar volume 2) and Church teach consecration as giving you surplus to the poor. Which is true and good. But the doctrine and covenants teaches consecration as a complete banking system. I turn my money (surplus) into the bank. Joe Shmo draws it out to purchase him a house. The tithe or 10% is a nominal fee paid annually on each persons intrest held within the bank. Example: Mentinah teach plural marriage is only commanded for the sake of building a nation quickly. The church teaches it is not required for exaltation and they are unclear exactly on the subject. Smith, Young, and Taylor all taught is was required for exaltation. That evey blessing received is predicated on the law that it abides, and obedience to that law is how you receive the blessing. How do you receive the blessing that comes from plural marriage unless you live it? It is taught in D&C 132. It is in plain english. The Journal of Discourses is a good place to learn and understand the thoughts of Young and Taylor and the ideas the church had at that time. Which are different than today. We know the priesthood doesn't change (Revelation of John Taylor 1886 and God says it many time in the doctrine and covenants) so if there is change, it is the people themselves. I don't care either way. Jesus fought for our free agency and everyone should have it and use it. I just don't get what this great mystery is about the Gospel that we don't know. Why would something think they were going to the highest degree of the celestial kingdom, and admit they don't know the laws of the priesthood. That level of success is enjoyed by people who understand and live and overcome all things. I enjoy reading the Mentinah Archives. They make me feel good. But that doesn't make them a work of translation. Just my thoughts I agree with you. The Archives do encourage people to do good. A lot of books do. The Work and the Glory encourages you to do good. I can read that book with the Holy Ghost and have an understanding of the thruths within the book that promote goodness.

The prophet Joseph did restore the fullness of the Gospel, and it is no secret. All these “secrets” that people don’t know or live are written in plain english in the doctrine and covenants.

Example: Mentinah (revelation of cloudpilar volume 2) and Church teach consecration as giving you surplus to the poor. Which is true and good. But the doctrine and covenants teaches consecration as a complete banking system. I turn my money (surplus) into the bank. Joe Shmo draws it out to purchase him a house. The tithe or 10% is a nominal fee paid annually on each persons intrest held within the bank.

Example: Mentinah teach plural marriage is only commanded for the sake of building a nation quickly. The church teaches it is not required for exaltation and they are unclear exactly on the subject.

Smith, Young, and Taylor all taught is was required for exaltation. That evey blessing received is predicated on the law that it abides, and obedience to that law is how you receive the blessing. How do you receive the blessing that comes from plural marriage unless you live it? It is taught in D&C 132. It is in plain english. The Journal of Discourses is a good place to learn and understand the thoughts of Young and Taylor and the ideas the church had at that time. Which are different than today.

We know the priesthood doesn’t change (Revelation of John Taylor 1886 and God says it many time in the doctrine and covenants) so if there is change, it is the people themselves. I don’t care either way. Jesus fought for our free agency and everyone should have it and use it.

I just don’t get what this great mystery is about the Gospel that we don’t know. Why would something think they were going to the highest degree of the celestial kingdom, and admit they don’t know the laws of the priesthood. That level of success is enjoyed by people who understand and live and overcome all things.

I enjoy reading the Mentinah Archives. They make me feel good. But that doesn’t make them a work of translation.

Just my thoughts

]]> Comment on Mentinah Archives by uft36 http://platesofmormon.wordpress.com/mentinah-archives/#comment-199 uft36 Fri, 04 Sep 2009 02:53:36 +0000 http://platesofmormon.wordpress.com/?page_id=26#comment-199 I may not be a good standing Mormon but I do believe in the Priesthood and what the Church teaches. I don't claim to understand everything in the Archives or when the prophesies will take place, if they do. I remember reading somewhere that even the very elect will be deceived and the Church will go through a trial by fire. I also remember reading somewhere that some members of a tribe of Native Americans, I think Nez Perce, attempted to give the Church at Nauvoo some records on plates. They waited for the missionaries to meet them but they took too long and they left. If you want the reference I can look for them. When will these records be translated and will anyone accept them? Maybe these are the same ones as the Archive records. As far as Joseph Smith is concerned the only thing I did was to connect the dots. He mentioned in the Times and Seasons about the discoveries in Central America. I also found a non-Mormon reference to a tribe's tradition that their ancestors landed near the Isthmus of Darien (Panama). Joseph Smith also mentioned Nephites in the US. In the book a History of New York written in 1854 and by a non-Mormon writer about how the early settlers found huge mounds of dirt with bones and weapons in the them. It looked like a great war took place there a long time ago. Besides, if you look at the years when Lehi landed in the New World and about when the last Jaredite king was discovered they overlap. Why would God land Lehi right in the middle of a bloodthirsty war if Lehi landed in the US? There was nothing left even to build a village according to Ether. A Land of Desolation. A war coast to coast. And I believe even down to Central America. I have a theory that I believe works and the Archives confirmed some of it. I don't know how to confirm the spiritual parts of the Archives without the Holy Spirit but it will take time and a lot of study and if I find some references outside of the Archives that either confirms or denied what is taught I will save it for future study. The Gospel is true as taught by Joseph Smith and others but we don't have the full knowledge of the Gospel as was taught to Joseph Smith and other prophets. Joseph Smith and the other prophets were commanded not to write down everything or teach everything that they were taught until the time was right. So, we only have a small portion with much more to go. If for whatever reason I learn that everything about these Archives and Cloudpiler is wrong it will not change my beliefs in God, Christ, the Book of Mormon and everything else in the Church. These people of the Archives have been saying over and over again that these are family records not scriptures and to pray and to seek the Holy Spirit when reading these Books. Exactly the same as the Book of Mormon. If you chose not to believe it is your choice. I will take what I can learn from them and leave the rest. I may not be a good standing Mormon but I do believe in the Priesthood and what the Church teaches. I don’t claim to understand everything in the Archives or when the prophesies will take place, if they do. I remember reading somewhere that even the very elect will be deceived and the Church will go through a trial by fire. I also remember reading somewhere that some members of a tribe of Native Americans, I think Nez Perce, attempted to give the Church at Nauvoo some records on plates. They waited for the missionaries to meet them but they took too long and they left. If you want the reference I can look for them. When will these records be translated and will anyone accept them? Maybe these are the same ones as the Archive records. As far as Joseph Smith is concerned the only thing I did was to connect the dots. He mentioned in the Times and Seasons about the discoveries in Central America. I also found a non-Mormon reference to a tribe’s tradition that their ancestors landed near the Isthmus of Darien (Panama). Joseph Smith also mentioned Nephites in the US. In the book a History of New York written in 1854 and by a non-Mormon writer about how the early settlers found huge mounds of dirt with bones and weapons in the them. It looked like a great war took place there a long time ago. Besides, if you look at the years when Lehi landed in the New World and about when the last Jaredite king was discovered they overlap. Why would God land Lehi right in the middle of a bloodthirsty war if Lehi landed in the US? There was nothing left even to build a village according to Ether. A Land of Desolation. A war coast to coast. And I believe even down to Central America.
I have a theory that I believe works and the Archives confirmed some of it. I don’t know how to confirm the spiritual parts of the Archives without the Holy Spirit but it will take time and a lot of study and if I find some references outside of the Archives that either confirms or denied what is taught I will save it for future study. The Gospel is true as taught by Joseph Smith and others but we don’t have the full knowledge of the Gospel as was taught to Joseph Smith and other prophets. Joseph Smith and the other prophets were commanded not to write down everything or teach everything that they were taught until the time was right. So, we only have a small portion with much more to go. If for whatever reason I learn that everything about these Archives and Cloudpiler is wrong it will not change my beliefs in God, Christ, the Book of Mormon and everything else in the Church. These people of the Archives have been saying over and over again that these are family records not scriptures and to pray and to seek the Holy Spirit when reading these Books. Exactly the same as the Book of Mormon. If you chose not to believe it is your choice. I will take what I can learn from them and leave the rest.

]]> Comment on Mentinah Archives by Fundamental Mormon http://platesofmormon.wordpress.com/mentinah-archives/#comment-198 Fundamental Mormon Fri, 04 Sep 2009 01:15:11 +0000 http://platesofmormon.wordpress.com/?page_id=26#comment-198 Besides, almost everyone does donate money to their religion. But the pastor believes he is a pastor. The president of the church believes he is the president of the church. The Pope believes he is a Pope. Cloudpilar knows that there are no such thing as the Mentinah Archives. He claims he is translating them. That is dishonest. There is nothing new in the archives that I haven't heard before. It is not that I cannot accept new doctrine or teachings. But the Laws of the Priestood never change. They were established before the world ever was and there is nothing you or I can do about changing them. The ideas and teachings in the Mentinah Archives teach different that the Doctrine and Covenants. God, Jesus, and the Holy Ghost areen't going to change their doctrine. Read your D&C 132. The Mentinah Archives shows what Clouplilar understands about the Gospel. It also shows what he doesn't understand. Besides. The nephites didn't live in Mezo-America. They lived in North America. Zarahemla was is the Ohio Valley west of the Missippi. The Land of Desolation was the New York area. If you don't believe me, then you don't believe your prophet Joseph Smith. Besides, almost everyone does donate money to their religion. But the pastor believes he is a pastor. The president of the church believes he is the president of the church. The Pope believes he is a Pope. Cloudpilar knows that there are no such thing as the Mentinah Archives. He claims he is translating them. That is dishonest.

There is nothing new in the archives that I haven’t heard before. It is not that I cannot accept new doctrine or teachings. But the Laws of the Priestood never change. They were established before the world ever was and there is nothing you or I can do about changing them. The ideas and teachings in the Mentinah Archives teach different that the Doctrine and Covenants. God, Jesus, and the Holy Ghost areen’t going to change their doctrine. Read your D&C 132. The Mentinah Archives shows what Clouplilar understands about the Gospel. It also shows what he doesn’t understand.

Besides. The nephites didn’t live in Mezo-America. They lived in North America. Zarahemla was is the Ohio Valley west of the Missippi. The Land of Desolation was the New York area. If you don’t believe me, then you don’t believe your prophet Joseph Smith.

]]> Comment on Mentinah Archives by Fundamental Mormon http://platesofmormon.wordpress.com/mentinah-archives/#comment-197 Fundamental Mormon Fri, 04 Sep 2009 00:52:17 +0000 http://platesofmormon.wordpress.com/?page_id=26#comment-197 UFT36 - I do not believe you are a strong LDS member. The Archives teach over and over and over and over again that the Gentile church in the last days goes astray. In one part, a mentinah prophet is looking forward using seer stones and seeing the gentile prophet (Joseph Smith) and finds fault with him for not going west with the saints. He says that he understands why the gentile church is goes astray because their prophet himself isn't willing to follow God's commandment himself and gives in to his own pressure. (Emma, his wife complaining about him running of to the West). Joseph turned around and said, "I go as a lamb to the slaughter. If my family cares nothing about we that what is my life worth." To believe in the mentinah archives, one must believe the church has gone astray from the Gospel. I, personally believe the church did leave the fullness of the Gospel. What the church teaches today has been altered from what Smith, Young, and Taylor taught and lived. The Mentinah Archives is a story based of fact and fiction. A good story at that. But, Jesus never told anyone that Jacob of Old (abraham, isaac, jacob) was only sealed to Rachel and not Leah for time and all eternity. Jesus never told anyone that Jacob only married Leah due to customs at the time. Read the Doctrine and Covenants. Jacob only did that what God commanded him to, therefore, he sits on his throne as a God in heaven. You are just simply promoting the book. No good standing mormon would believe the church has gone astray. No good standing mormon would believe in the Mentinah Archives. UFT36 – I do not believe you are a strong LDS member. The Archives teach over and over and over and over again that the Gentile church in the last days goes astray. In one part, a mentinah prophet is looking forward using seer stones and seeing the gentile prophet (Joseph Smith) and finds fault with him for not going west with the saints. He says that he understands why the gentile church is goes astray because their prophet himself isn’t willing to follow God’s commandment himself and gives in to his own pressure. (Emma, his wife complaining about him running of to the West). Joseph turned around and said, “I go as a lamb to the slaughter. If my family cares nothing about we that what is my life worth.”

To believe in the mentinah archives, one must believe the church has gone astray from the Gospel. I, personally believe the church did leave the fullness of the Gospel. What the church teaches today has been altered from what Smith, Young, and Taylor taught and lived. The Mentinah Archives is a story based of fact and fiction. A good story at that. But, Jesus never told anyone that Jacob of Old (abraham, isaac, jacob) was only sealed to Rachel and not Leah for time and all eternity. Jesus never told anyone that Jacob only married Leah due to customs at the time. Read the Doctrine and Covenants. Jacob only did that what God commanded him to, therefore, he sits on his throne as a God in heaven.

You are just simply promoting the book. No good standing mormon would believe the church has gone astray. No good standing mormon would believe in the Mentinah Archives.

]]> Comment on Mentinah Archives by uft36 http://platesofmormon.wordpress.com/mentinah-archives/#comment-196 uft36 Thu, 03 Sep 2009 23:37:15 +0000 http://platesofmormon.wordpress.com/?page_id=26#comment-196 Thanks, everyone, for your comments. I have read the Mentinah Archives myself and I am LDS. I have found nothing in the Archives that goes against the teachings of the LDS Church. There are some things especially the deeper concepts taught that I don't fully understand but that does not mean they are not true. I have been familiar with this library for about 3 years and I can honestly tell you that my faith has grown since reading them and that they are an authentic record of an ancient people. When I started investigating the Book of Mormon geography based on migrations they were very close to what is taught in the Archives. And I did this long before I even knew about them. Because of this I took a closer look at them. A lot of questions on Native American traditions are answered. The Book of Mormon is only a condensed version of the plates that Mormon had. I wanted to fill in the gaps. So, I started investigating non-Mormon writings on Native American traditions, archaeology and history from 1900 and back. What I found is consistent with my theory that the Nephites gradually migrated north over 1000 years. Just to clarify something. Cloudpiler is not a prophet and he does not force anyone to believe in what he teaches. I do not belong the Nemenhah band and yet I still believe in these Archives. Is he doing anything different than what tele-evangelists, preachers, etc. do in asking for money to belong to their church? The Mormons pay a tithing to support the Church. If you don't pay you may not go to the temple or do other Church related activities. Or pay dues to a health club or any other organization to be a member? He never declared himself a prophet and these Archives is a very small part of what he is doing. Should I name a few historical Christian preachers that went against the established Church of the land and paid the price with their lives? I view the treatment of these records the same way Christians treat the Mormons. The Christians won't believe in the Book of Mormon because they believe it is not consistent with the Bible and history, even without reading it first. Now the Mormons are acting like the Christians and condemning the Archives without reading them first. Why is it that people who seem to know everything about God are the first to condemn new knowledge when it is presented? It seems to me that they are putting limits on what God can do and is willing to teach His children. There is so much knowledge from the begining of time that we cannot possibly learn it all in a short period of time. Who are we that can say what someone is learning is true or not? No one is an absolute authority when it comes to God, spirituality and mankind's history. God gave us the Holy Spirit and a curious mind to seek out the truth no matter where it comes from. Thanks, everyone, for your comments. I have read the Mentinah Archives myself and I am LDS. I have found nothing in the Archives that goes against the teachings of the LDS Church. There are some things especially the deeper concepts taught that I don’t fully understand but that does not mean they are not true. I have been familiar with this library for about 3 years and I can honestly tell you that my faith has grown since reading them and that they are an authentic record of an ancient people. When I started investigating the Book of Mormon geography based on migrations they were very close to what is taught in the Archives. And I did this long before I even knew about them. Because of this I took a closer look at them. A lot of questions on Native American traditions are answered. The Book of Mormon is only a condensed version of the plates that Mormon had. I wanted to fill in the gaps. So, I started investigating non-Mormon writings on Native American traditions, archaeology and history from 1900 and back. What I found is consistent with my theory that the Nephites gradually migrated north over 1000 years.
Just to clarify something. Cloudpiler is not a prophet and he does not force anyone to believe in what he teaches. I do not belong the Nemenhah band and yet I still believe in these Archives. Is he doing anything different than what tele-evangelists, preachers, etc. do in asking for money to belong to their church? The Mormons pay a tithing to support the Church. If you don’t pay you may not go to the temple or do other Church related activities. Or pay dues to a health club or any other organization to be a member? He never declared himself a prophet and these Archives is a very small part of what he is doing. Should I name a few historical Christian preachers that went against the established Church of the land and paid the price with their lives? I view the treatment of these records the same way Christians treat the Mormons. The Christians won’t believe in the Book of Mormon because they believe it is not consistent with the Bible and history, even without reading it first. Now the Mormons are acting like the Christians and condemning the Archives without reading them first. Why is it that people who seem to know everything about God are the first to condemn new knowledge when it is presented? It seems to me that they are putting limits on what God can do and is willing to teach His children. There is so much knowledge from the begining of time that we cannot possibly learn it all in a short period of time. Who are we that can say what someone is learning is true or not? No one is an absolute authority when it comes to God, spirituality and mankind’s history. God gave us the Holy Spirit and a curious mind to seek out the truth no matter where it comes from.

]]> Comment on Mentinah Archives by Chief Poopsabunch http://platesofmormon.wordpress.com/mentinah-archives/#comment-195 Chief Poopsabunch Thu, 03 Sep 2009 18:35:13 +0000 http://platesofmormon.wordpress.com/?page_id=26#comment-195 Besides, Cloudpilar is not a Native American. I call myself Chief Poopsabunch, but that does not make me of Native American blood. He is convicted in Montana and Idaho for fraudulant activities. (taking people's money based on a lie). Gee, isn't that interesting. He is now a prophet of God and he wants you to give him money. I am stupid, but I am not that stupid. Even I can smell a pile of dung when I walk past one. Besides, Cloudpilar is not a Native American. I call myself Chief Poopsabunch, but that does not make me of Native American blood. He is convicted in Montana and Idaho for fraudulant activities. (taking people’s money based on a lie). Gee, isn’t that interesting. He is now a prophet of God and he wants you to give him money. I am stupid, but I am not that stupid. Even I can smell a pile of dung when I walk past one.

]]> Comment on Mentinah Archives by Chief Poopsabunch http://platesofmormon.wordpress.com/mentinah-archives/#comment-194 Chief Poopsabunch Thu, 03 Sep 2009 18:26:25 +0000 http://platesofmormon.wordpress.com/?page_id=26#comment-194 Dude, these records are not translated or inspired. Either God doesn't understand the complete gospel, or Cloudpilar doesn't. I am going to assume id Cloudpilar that doesn't. He thinks he is the Prophet in the last days that is part Indian and part Gentile. Funny. Maybe it would be believeable if the record was brought forth before his book was written. I could write a book that has Jesus come and say that I am the next great prophet. That would, however, not make the book true, and it would not make me a prophet. This story is too detailed to be a translated piece. It is just a story telling us the views of Cloudpilar. Dude, these records are not translated or inspired. Either God doesn’t understand the complete gospel, or Cloudpilar doesn’t. I am going to assume id Cloudpilar that doesn’t. He thinks he is the Prophet in the last days that is part Indian and part Gentile. Funny. Maybe it would be believeable if the record was brought forth before his book was written. I could write a book that has Jesus come and say that I am the next great prophet. That would, however, not make the book true, and it would not make me a prophet. This story is too detailed to be a translated piece. It is just a story telling us the views of Cloudpilar.

]]> Comment on Mentinah Archives by tapusheriff http://platesofmormon.wordpress.com/mentinah-archives/#comment-193 tapusheriff Thu, 03 Sep 2009 15:31:06 +0000 http://platesofmormon.wordpress.com/?page_id=26#comment-193 praise the lord for these records, its all happening as it is written in all the above mentioned scriptures, we all have our faults , nothing wrong with righting the wrongs,good and bad in every culture in the this world, which side are you on is the main question the scriptures ask us , whos side are you on ,we have the test,we are at the footstool, choose wisely ...weve been informed , the rest is up to us, time will tell , praise the lord for these records, its all happening as it is written in all the above mentioned scriptures, we all have our faults , nothing wrong with righting the wrongs,good and bad in every culture in the this world, which side are you on is the main question the scriptures ask us , whos side are you on ,we have the test,we are at the footstool, choose wisely …weve been informed , the rest is up to us, time will tell ,

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