New map of Nephite Lands

I just added a new map I created of the Nephite Lands. I incorporated information from the Mentinah Archives. This is what I believe is a more complete picture of the Book of Mormon lands and with further research, I should be able to find more information to back up my claims. All information is, of course, a matter of interpretation but I hope I can show that my theory is the correct one. As I said, in my previous post, Joseph Smith is my foundation to my theory and in latter posts I will show you more that he is correct in all his claims such as Lehi landing just south of Panama, there is only one Cumorah, Zelph was known all the way to the Rocky Mountains, etc. I hope to show this through Native American traditions and through archaeological discoveries, even ones that are controversial on the surface.

Here is the new map I created:

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13 thoughts on “New map of Nephite Lands

  1. uft36 Post author

    Thanks, Peter. I have been waiting a long time for you to discover this site. I hope to get together and talk more about these things.

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  2. Del

    I think you would be more successful in using the scriptures, exactly as written, in order to frame any map. As an example, we know nothing about Hagoth having a son named Hagoth. Or where does Alma 63 suggest Utah? A weather ship leaving the Arabian coast “driven forth before the wind could not reach Ecuador, let alone Quito, which is up in the mountains. Omni 1:16 says that Mosiah discovered Zarahemla which was where the Lord brought the Mulekites and they had always lived there since landing–you have the Mulekites in the Yucatan and Zarahemla in Mexico City. The Nemenhah is an alleged account of a peaceful people who sailed north with Hagoth–not a scriptural idea. In brief, the scriptures are the basis of information–all other info is of a secondary nature. Start and end with the scriptures –other sources can serve as supportive evidence, but not primary sourcing. Del

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  3. uft36 Post author

    Thanks for your comment. It looks like I need to update this site and add new maps and explain myself more. All scriptures are based on personal interpretation and these ideas and theories presented are changing as I learn more about the history of these people. This argument could be applied to the Bible as well and some people are strict on their interpretations. I based my ideas on Joseph Smith’s comments, Native American traditions and other sources to support the Book of Mormon. Anyway, my biggest problem with most theories is that the book of Mormon peoples are lumped together in one small place or geographical area with no room for growth. To answer your question of where does Alma suggest Utah I would have to ask you where does it say that Lehi or Mulek landed anywhere in North or South America? To be cont…

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  4. Del

    Nephi tells us exactly where he went and where he landed and we can understand that when we read what he wrote without predetermined places in mind. I spent 22 years in research that ended up in my books “Lehi Never Saw Mesoamerica” and “Who Really Settled Mesoamerica.”

    We know from Nephi’s descriptions of travel he reached somewhere along the south Arabian coast–he tells us exactly where he went to reach his Bountiful. We also know where he launched his ship from what he said. We also know his ship was a sailing vessel because it was “driven forth before the wind to the promised land.”

    In knowing where he set out and knowing where winds and currents in 600 B.C. (as well as today) flowed, we know where he sailed. We know where he landed because of these same winds and currents–no ship in that era (in fact until about 1600-1700 AD could go anywhere but where winds and currents took them). And we know what he found there because he (and other prophets) described what existed in his Land of Promise.

    The scriptures tell us about 50 things that must exist where he landed and where the Nephites live–these items must be found in the land of promise or be answered by a land of promise location.

    We also know that 5400 men, plus women and children (20,000-25,000) sailed northward from there about 46 B.C. and settled “in a land which was northward” (which is not the same as the Land Northward). Looking north, we should find another settlement of Nephites that had access to spread all across North America from there (not BOM lands, but lands where descendant Nephites and Lamanites spread out upon).

    I think a careful reading of the scriptures tells us all we need to know. The scriptures are the only source of accurate information, since all other writings, no matter how accurate, are based upon the writers’ and the readers’ context.

    Anyway, good luck with your studies. If you are interested, come visit my website http://www.nephicode.com and my blog.

    Del

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    1. uft36 Post author

      Thanks again for your comment. I get a little nervous when someone comments on here and get defensive right away. I have had too many people trying to convince me that I am wrong instead of asking questions on how discovered my reasoning and why I believe in these things. I have tried to explain myself in a few postings but it makes no difference. I am not sure how much of my postings you have read but I started with the Book of Mormon from scratch and developed a theory that I believe works in answering all the questions surrounding the Book of Mormon lands. I can explain everything just by the Book of Mormon alone without the archives, Joseph Smith’s comments, etc. I believe I discovered a pattern in the Book of Mormon and worked with it. I can’t simply dismiss Native American traditions and a Prophet’s comments because it is their interpretation of the events that happened. If the Book of Mormon events are true then there would be something in the real world to show that it happened. The difficulty is making the right connections. I don’t know if I am right in my interpretation of the Book of Mormon nor any other theory out is correct or not. I have read other theories and they left me with too many unanswered questions. This is my attempt to make a more complete picture using all the resources that I can to support my theory. I chose to be open minded and learn of new discoveries to support my claim. I will go over your website more and see what I can learn from it. Thanks again for visiting.

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  5. Del

    Well, like I said, good luck with your research.

    It would appear that you are, at the moment, where many investigators find themselves–trying to sort through information to find the truth. The fact of the matter is, the Lehi colony could only land at one spot. Interesting how Jacob said, and Nephi wrote, that they were on an island of the sea (2 Nephi 10:20).

    Have fun Searching for truth. It is always a great adventure.

    Del

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  6. Jeff Amberson

    It seems that in the last decade or so, a number of people have felt the need to explore the subject of Book of Mormon lands. There must be a reason for the increased interest. In one of your earlier comments you expressed a desire for questions. I have several for you.

    What sparked your interest and when did you start studying specifically about Book of Mormon lands?

    Why do you feel the Lehites landed on the west coast of South America?

    Which river is your river Sidon?

    Where is the line between the land Bountiful and the land Desolation?

    Where is the small neck of land and the narrow pass?

    Are you suggesting that after the Nephite armies of Mormon fought the Lamanites in the area of the city of Desolation, including the land Desolation and the land Bountiful, for about 48 years, and that in less than 9 years they fought their way across most of the northern continent to arrive at the hill Cumorah? (see Mormon 2:3, 4:16 & 19, and 6:5)

    I could ask more but these questions should be enough for now.

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    1. uft36 Post author

      Thanks, Jeff for your comment. I started this project about 2007 as a challenge to how the plates of Mormon ended up in upstate New York. There is a date difference between when Lehi arrived in the Americas and the end of the Jaredite war. Lehi arrived approximately in 589 BCE and the Jaredite war ending maybe between 400 and 250 BCE. From historian’s understanding there were very well developed civilizations in the Americas and my thinking is why would God have Lehi land in an area where he and his families may not be well received and if there was a large ongoing war and the lands in ruins it will not be too well suitable for a Middle Eastern family to be established, at least until later on when the Mulekites came over. In my view, northern Ecuador would be best suited for Lehi’s family. As far as I can learn this country has everything that is needed for this family and still close enough to move northward when the time is right to reestablish the Nephite Church in Central America. God always plans ahead and prepares places and people to move if His Church fails which it did 3 times. First, in the Land of Nephi which made Mosiah migrate northward to Zarahemla in Belize Yucatan southern Mexico area then Zarahemla was destroyed and before this was done many Nephite families migrated northward into southern US, Bountiful, and in turn was over run and destroyed by the Lamanites. As far as Moroni is concerned if the wars took place in the southern and central US, a small area compared to the land of Desolation it would not take long to keep fighting his way northward and not every town and city all the way were Lamanites..some were Nephites who joined him in the war. The land of Desolation was mostly Lamanite controlled and therefore more difficult to win. These are just my thoughts and ideas and I don’t present them as the truth. It is not perfect but makes a lot more sense to me than a lot of other theories out there and it answers most of my questions. The Book of Mormon is a very condensed history of the Nephites. This does not mean everything took place in one spot or in one land. There are similar places throughout the Book of Mormon like the narrow neck of land and bodies of water and these places can be found anywhere in the Americas. What I did was to stretch out the history using the migrations talked about and when the Nephites were established they would rename their lands to what was familiar to them from their history and families. Another point I thought of was if you look at Israel and compare it to Central America both are central to the countries around them and if God wanted to send out missionaries and establish churches throughout the lands He would do this in a central area. And again this does not mean the whole book of Mormon took place in Central America. It just means the Church was established there for a time and eventually was moved northward to the CENTRAL US where again it would be easier to move missionaries around to establish the Church. I hope this answers your questions. And please do not argue with me on this. I have had enough of this on this blog which is the main reason I stopped posting. If you have any ideas or suggestions please share them. Thanks for your time. Randy
      This is my map based on the river systems around Mexico ..to me this makes the most sense..using rivers as boundary lines.. https://platesofmormon.wordpress.com/2010/05/09/boundaries-of-zarahemla/

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  7. Jeff Amberson

    Thanks for your reply. I won’t argue with you but I will share a couple of prophecies for you to consider.

    “But behold, this land, said God, shall be a land of thine inheritance, and the Gentiles shall be blessed upon the land. And this land shall be a land of liberty unto the Gentiles, and there shall be no kings upon the land, who shall raise up unto the Gentiles.” (2 Nephi 10:10-11)

    According to God, the land upon which the Nephites lived in the land of Nephi, was to have no kings upon the land which were raised up unto the Gentiles.

    For thirteen years, 1808-1821, the King of Portugal, a Gentile king, ruled the entire Portuguese Empire from the land of Brazil. The land of Brazil seems to be disqualified as part of the land of promise. Twice, 1821-1823 (Augustin de Iturbide) and 1861-1867 (Habsburg Archduke Ferdinand Maximilian of Austria), Mexico was under the rule of a Gentile emperor who lived upon the land. Emperor is a synonym for king. It seems the land of Mexico, including Guatemala, is also disqualified as part of the land of promise. (read 1 Nephi 13 to understand who are the Book of Mormon Gentiles)

    “And it meaneth that the time cometh that after all the house of Israel have been scattered and confounded, that the Lord God will raise up a mighty nation among the Gentiles, yea, even upon the face of this land; and by them shall our seed be scattered. And after our seed is scattered the Lord God will proceed to do a marvelous work among the Gentiles, which shall be of great worth unto our seed;..” (1 Nephi 22:7-8)

    This “mighty nation” is the United States of America. The marvelous work is the translation, publication and early distribution of the Book of Mormon, which includes the restoration of the Church of Jesus Christ and early missionary work. The people of the United States, prior to 1830-1840, did not scatter any peoples in Central or South America. They did scatter many Native Americans in the eastern United States. This prophecy seems to disqualify any people and lands in Central and South America from being part of the events recorded in the Book of Mormon.

    Thanks for letting me share.

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    1. uft36 Post author

      Thanks for writing back..after reading the passages my understanding is that God is talking about a future land of inheritance not necessarily the land of Nephi where Jacob is living,where I believe Central America is. If this were true then why were there kings in the land of Nephi until Mosiah’s time. The last Diaspora of the Jews was in 135 CE after which the Jews and Gentiles will be at a future gathering place in America. I assumed Jacob was talking about the land he was living in as the land of inheritance but then realized that the land of inheritance was a future place for all nations to be gathered in. 10 But behold, this land, said God, shall be a land of thine inheritance, and the Gentiles shall be blessed upon the land. This line says shall be a land of inheritance or will be a land of inheritance. If God was talking about land of Nephi as the land of inheritance God would have said this land is your land of inheritance in the present tense not at a future time. The name Nephites to me is the same as using the name Christians. Not by family name but because the person lived in the Lands of Nephi and if you belonged to the Church of Christ. So, when the Nephites moved northward into the southern and central US and Christ’s Church was established it became the land of the Nephites, as well, at least until 300 CE when some of them became corrupted and became Lamanites, those that left the Church. As far as your historical references is concerned that is true and it is also true that England and France had control over the eastern parts of the US. The kings may not have physically lived on these lands but were still under the law of the crown just like in their countries and subject to taxes and laws of the time. This will also disqualify the US to the promise. So, it would be after this time that I believe these passages is what God is referring to as the lands of inheritance in Jacob’s book. The lands of Mexico extended far north into the US to include California, Nevada, Utah, Colorado so America would be disqualified as part of this promise too. One more thing. The land northward is called the Land of Mulek and the land southward is called the land of Lehi. 10 Now the land south was called Lehi, and the land north was called Mulek, which was after the son of Zedekiah; for the Lord did bring Mulek into the land north, and Lehi into the land south. The land North is called Mulek not the land of Nephi. The land of Mulek I believe is Bountiful in the southern US, Gulf of Mexico area northward. The Land of Lehi is South America, just south of the Isthmus of Darien, Ecuador. North of Bountiful is the land of desolation where the Jaredites fought their wars. These are just my thoughts that make the most sense to me. Thank you for your time.

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      1. Jeff Amberson

        Well, I am happy to see that we are having a discussion and not an argument. I, like you, acknowledge that these are my opinions.

        There are four prophecies in the two verses I earlier quoted, 2 Nephi 10:10-11, and yes, these are prophecies about the future but the use of the term “this land” seems to be about the land upon which Jacob and his fellow Nephites were living at the time. There are three conditions to the last of the four prophecies and all three conditions must be met for the prophecy to be fulfilled. Kings during the days of the Nephites and Lamanites were not raised up unto the Gentiles, so they don’t count. Kings of the Gentiles in Western Europe were not upon the land so they don’t count either. But, anywhere upon the Western Hemisphere where a king has lived upon the land and was raised up unto the Gentiles is disqualified as a possible site for the land of promise of the Nephites. You are right, at the time of the first Emperor of Mexico much of the western part of today’s United States belonged to Mexico and was also eliminated from consideration as part of the promised land. But the eastern United States has never been under the rule of a Gentile king who lived upon the land.

        Perhaps we can compare this to what Christ said when he visited the Nephites in the land Bountiful. In 3 Nephi 15:13, 16:16, and 20:14, Jesus told the people that the Father had commanded Him to give them “this land” for a land of inheritance. Then, Jesus prophesied that He would, at a future time, establish His people in this same land, referring to the remnant of Jacob (including adopted Gentiles) and that it would be a New Jerusalem. The land Bountiful, where Christ stood as He gave this prophecy, is in the land of the New Jerusalem. ” And it shall come to pass that I will establish my people, O house of Israel. And behold, this people will I establish in this land, unto the fulfilling of the covenant which I made with your father Jacob; and it shall be a New Jerusalem…” (3 Nephi 20:21-22, notice Christ’s use of the term “this land”)

        The Lehites landed in the land of promise, as did the Jaredites. They did not land somewhere outside of the land of promise and then migrate to the promised land. (1 Nephi 18:23 and Ether 6:12)

        Lehi was promised the land of the Thirteen Colonies as a land of inheritance for his descendants. In 1 Nephi 13:17-19, Nephi records his vision of the American Revolution. In verse 30 of the same chapter, and speaking of the same Gentiles, Nephi shared that his father, Lehi, was promised this same land. “…thou beholdest that the Gentiles who have gone forth out of captivity, and have been lifted up by the power of God above all other nations, upon the face of the land which is choice above all other lands, which is the land that the Lord God hath covenanted with thy father that his seed should have for the land of their inheritance;…” (1 Nephi 13:30)

        Even the Jaredites lived in the vicinity of the New Jerusalem. “For behold, they rejected all the words of Ether; for he truly told them of all things, from the beginning of man; and that after the waters had receded from off the face of this land it became a choice land above all other lands, a chosen land of the Lord; wherefore the Lord would have that all men should serve him who dwell upon the face thereof; And that it was the place of the New Jerusalem, which should come down out of heaven, and the holy sanctuary of the Lord.” (Ether 13:2-3)

        We can continue to hold our differing opinions and, in a respectful manner, continue to disagree with one another but in my searching of the Book of Mormon, I have found many prophecies/revelations pointing to the eastern United States as the place where the Nephites and Lamanites lived and I have found no prophecies/revelations which point to Central or South America. I have found the two prophecies I earlier shared with you that actually disqualify Central and South America.

        Do you know of any prophecies/revelations which would indicate Central or South America was the place?

        I have written a manuscript of my findings including maps which identify the river Sidon, the narrow strip of wilderness, the small neck of land, the narrow pass, the sea which divides the land, etc. My manuscript is currently under review by Deseret Book so I do not want to share it here. If you are interested, send me your private email address and I will share it with you. My email address is jamberson1@gmail.com.

      2. uft36 Post author

        My arguments are not about the prophecies that the Nephites will inherit the eastern US. That I believe was fulfilled by the Nephites but at a much later date than Lehi’s time. When Christ was talking about prophecies He was in Central US/ Bountiful. There is a big difference in my viewpoint between the land of promise and the promised land, Lehi’s promised land is the land given to him if Lehi and his family kept their covenants with the Lord until their arrival in the New World. The land of promise is a land of opportunities given to the Nephites if they obey the commandments of God. These lands the Nephites lost several times because they broke their covenants with the Lord and given to the Lamanites. The Nephites kept moving northward. My biggest issue with Lehi in America is the Jaredite war. If the Jaredites covered the land after almost 2000 years and their war ended sometime between 600 and 300 BC that would mean that Lehi landed during the Jaredite War. If I remember right the land was desolate and in ruins. There was only one survivor Coriantumr who lived until Mulek arrived and found him which would be about 585 or 586. If this is the land of Bountiful of Lehi’s time then the land of the Jaredites would not be in ruins. Also, why would Mosiah be surprised about learning about the Jaredites if they already knew about an earlier civilization in the lands by the evidence of mounds forts cities etc. Bones were found upon the land, if I remember right. Also, the Nephite’s before Mosiah’s time had wars and contentions with each other and their neighbors. Who did they fight with if the Jaredites were destroyed? Did other people migrate into the Jaredite lands that we don’t know about? This is again why I decided to look into this further. Too many unanswered questions. I also find it hard to believe that the Nephites for about 300 years never found Zarahemla to the north. The East is a big country but not so big that people won’t be exploring and looking for new lands. I have come to believe that God’s mission for Lehi is much deeper than just preserving his lineage and restarting His Church on these lands. It is very clear that there were huge civilizations in the Americas at that time. Lehi’s and then the Nephites mission was to prepare the people for the coming of Christ, like God did with the Jews. But this had to be a step by step process. The Mayans, Incas and other cultures were very steeped in their traditions and can only be converted by trusting their king. Lehi would not be suitable yet because he was too religious and the people would not listen to him. But Mulek and others in his group were better prepared for the Mayans. They were not religious. So both Lehi and Mulek had missions. Lehi as the prophet and Mulek and his descendants as king to prepare his people for the arrival of the Nephites by Mosiah. After Mosiah’s time the Nephites began to migrate northward into the southern US for their inheritance as long as they kept their covenants with the Lord which they did until about 300 AD when contentions and iniquities start to creep into the Nephite lands. I have thought this through for a long time. My theory is not perfect and may be wrong but I believe it is closer to what the Book of Mormon is telling us and takes everything into consideration including archaeological, Native American stories, history, Joseph Smith’s comments, etc. My email address is u f t 36@ya hoo .com. Thanks.

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